FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4

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ewweber 29 Aug 2010, 17:45	FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 After relying on FinderPop for years and years, I was dismayed when it wasn't Snow Leopard-compatible at the introduction of SL a year ago. For that reason alone, I didn't upgrade to SL. I couldn't do without FP. I waited patiently for FP to be updated, then read about Turly's accident and went on waiting even more patiently, until yesterday I finally checked the site for the first time in months and learned that FP 2.3.0 was available and SL-ready. I eagerly downloaded and installed it, made sure it worked in Leopard 10.5.8 (it did), repaired permissions, ran fsck, ran the cron tasks, made a bootable clone of my hard drive, upgraded to Snow Leopard, ran Software Update three times to make sure all the Apple updates were installed, repaired permissions again, ran fsck again, and settled in to use my MacBook Pro (late-2008 15" unibody 2.4GHz). Much to my surprise and disappointment, FinderPop 2.3 does nothing at all now. It appears in System Prefs as 2.3.0, is turned on, and leaves traces in the system.log such as this: Aug 29 11:48:12 Eric-Webers-Computer-2 [0x0-0x2c02c].com.finderpop.fp-injector[319]: FinderPop-i386-23000: Not patching Rosetta app 'Adobe Updater' 0:00043043 Nevertheless, FP doesn't open a menu when I click and hold or click and release on any disk or folder. It doesn't produce a menu when I click on an unused part of the menu bar, though I have that option checked. Functionally, it's as if FinderPop isn't installed. All my FP preference settings were brought forward faithfully from the old version I was using in Leopard, but nothing at all that I used to depend on FP to do works any more. Any thoughts about why not, or tests I might run?
turly 29 Aug 2010, 19:56	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Hey Eric, We need to see whether FinderPop is patching your Finder.app. The one line you've shown is for a Rosetta app, which FP will never patch - ie PowerPC apps running under emulation on intel Macs - so look for something like FinderPop-23001: Patching 'Finder' 0:140001 (Immed) (that's from memory so it mightn't be exactly right.) Do you see something like that? Are there any other 'odd' messages printed out by FinderPop?
ewweber 30 Aug 2010, 14:37	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Hi, Turly, and thanks for the prompt reply. I do see this three-line sequence, which appeared after I upgraded to the new FP version: Aug 29 10:06:08 Eric-Webers-Computer-2 [0x0-0x2a02a].com.apple.systempreferences[310]: FinderPop-x86_64-23000 - added myself to Login Items Aug 29 10:06:09 Eric-Webers-Computer-2 [0x0-0x2c02c].com.finderpop.fp-injector[319]: 10:06:09: INIT FinderPop-i386-23000 on 10.6.4 (built May 23 2010 21:20:48) Aug 29 10:06:09 Eric-Webers-Computer-2 [0x0-0x2c02c].com.finderpop.fp-injector[319]: FinderPop-x86_64-23000: Patching 'Finder' 0:a00a (Immed-e) After that, no "patching" lines except a few "not patching" entries for Rosetta apps (Eudora, Photoshop CS2, Adobe Updater). Anything else I should look for or try?
turly 31 Aug 2010, 08:59	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Hmm, well it says it patched the Finder so I'd expect control-clicking an item in the Finder to display the FP-augmented contextual menu. Do you have items in your FinderPop Items folder? Are you running an English-language OS? When you go to the FP preference pane, Items tab, click on Show FinderPop Items folder, the folder opened is what you expect? Can you fire up a Terminal.app and either post or send me the output of this command defaults read com.finderpop.finderpop
ewweber 31 Aug 2010, 16:04	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Here's the Terminal output: Last login: Mon Aug 30 18:26:59 on console [Eric-Webers-Computer-2:~] ericweber% defaults read com.finderpop.finderpop { addContentsMenu = 1; addDiskMenu = 1; addMarkColumn = 0; controlFreePopup = 0; controlFreePopupContentsMenu = 1; controlFreePopupTicks = 125; enableFinderPop = 1; excludes = ( { ID = "com.prosofteng.DriveGenius2"; } ); inlineFinderPopMenu = 1; inlineFinderPopMenuOnlyInFinder = 1; installBuildVersion = 23000; menuFontSize = 0; mustControlClickForUnusedMenubar = 0; numLastItemsChosen = 0; otherAppsExtendContextual = 0; patchFinderOnly = 0; processMenu = 1; recentItemsInSubmenu = 1; showBundleDirs = 0; showDotNames = 0; showInvisibles = 0; showLastItemChosen = 0; showOnlyApplicableApps = 1; sortOrder = 0; unusedMenuBarActivatesFP = 1; useLSDisplayName = 1; useLabelInfo = 0; useRealIcons = 1; versionCheckTimeDelta = 0; } [Eric-Webers-Computer-2:~] ericweber% The only thing I've added to my FinderPop Items is my hard drive. The FinderPop Items folder, which opens on demand from the FP prefpane window, looks just as I'd expect it to: empty but for that alias. Yes, my OS is US English. The menus I see when I control-click items in the Finder are identical to the ones I see with FinderPop turned off. There is no menu when I click or control-click a blank part of the menu bar, with or without FP turned on. I have the following other user-installed prefpanes active on my MBP, just in case you recognize something here that conflicts with FP: A Better Finder Rename Fan Control Flip4Mac WMV Perian SmartSleep Wacom Tablet I suppose ABFR could well be the culprit, since it interacts with contextual menus. Do you know? I don't need it nearly as much as I need FP, but unfortunately, when I tried just now to uninstall it, I found that the instructions for doing so in its Help menu are defective and can't be followed. So I've emailed ABFR's developer for assistance, but until I hear back I won't be able to test the hypothesis that ABFR is tangling with FP. FYI, I have the following Login Items in my everyday account (an admin account): iTunesHelper SpeechSynthesisServer System Events iStat menus Helper EEventManager CrossOver CD Helper finderpop-daemon EEventManager (All Users)
RonaldPR 31 Aug 2010, 20:50	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 ewweber wrote:I suppose ABFR could well be the culprit, since it interacts with contextual menus. I have A Better Finder Preferences.prefPane version 3.9 installed (still 32-bit) that goes with A Better Finder Rename 8 (v. 8.65) and A Better Finder Attributes 4 (v. 4.49). In MacOSX 10.6 the pref pane is only used for registration of the applications. Possible left-over contextual menu items are non-functional in MacOSX 10.6, the system will ignore them. In MacOSX 10.6 services took the place of contextual menu items. For both ABFR and ABFA services can be added to the Services item in contextual menus. On my machine with MacOSX 10.6.4, FinderPop works fine, with or without services for ABFR and/or ABFA enabled.
turly 01 Sep 2010, 09:04	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Thanks Ronald... Eric - here are some other things for you to try: 1. It could be that clicking-in-unused-menubar doesn't work because of menubar translucency - try turning it off. From this post: Make sure System Preferences -> Desktop & Screen Saver -> Desktop -> "Translucent Menu Bar" is disabled. They may have subtly changed the background desktop picture which, when it "pokes through" a translucent menubar, is enough to persuade FinderPop that the menubar area you clicked on is not in fact "unused"... 2. Does command-control clicking on a blank bit of the Desktop work? Note you must hold down command and control and then click. It should pop up a Contents menu of whatever folder window you clicked on (in this case the Desktop.) If that works and control-clicking doesn't, it narrows down where I have to look...
turly 04 Sep 2010, 08:47	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Hey Eric, It just dawned on me what your problem might be... I got an email from another user (coincidentally also called Eric) with similar symptoms to your problem... so did you just copy across the FinderPop you had from Leopard to your new install, or did you install SL and then install the latest FinderPop? If you upgrade to SL then removing the old FinderPop and installing the new one will work better (as the old one will have had various permissions for Tiger/Leopard which no longer apply...) Uninstalling the old FinderPop can be done via the 'Uninstall FinderPop' button in FP's _Etc_ tab. (Your FinderPop Items folder will not be deleted.) To be even more sure, if I were you, I would logout / login again after I'd uninstalled the old FinderPop, before installing the new one. Then, making sure that System Preferences is CLOSED - NOT RUNNING - double-click a freshly-downloaded FinderPop.prefPane which will open System Preferences and offer to install FP for you. If you are using Apple's FileVault home folder encryption thing, choose to install FinderPop for ALL USERS. Let me know if that fixes things...
ewweber 05 Sep 2010, 04:15	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Hi, Turly. Thanks for chasing me dwn by email - I've been occupied with other things the last couple of days. Uninstalling FP, logging out and back in again, and reinstalling FP from a new download has improved matters considerably. Now I get a FP menu when clicking or control-clicking in an unused portion of the menu bar and when control-clicking (but not just clicking, as I was always able to do in the past) on my hard drive's icon or on the desktop. So I'm 90% of the way to a full solution now. Any thoughts on why a plain click (no control key) isn't doing everything it did in Leopard?
turly 05 Sep 2010, 09:29	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Hey Eric - are you sure control-free popup is turned ON in FinderPop's prefPane? Just from looking at your preferences dump above, it looks like it's turned off. Again I'm not at my Mac right now to double-check but the line controlFreePopup = 0; is a bit suspicious. Double-check that it's on and then switch to the Finder, click-and-hold on a disk, until the cursor changes to the contextual cursor, then let go the mouse button...
Philip Van Landuyt 22 Nov 2010, 19:29	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Hello, Since upgrading to 10.6.4 FinderPop stopped working. I followed this thread, and tried the help offered, bu to no avail. Console gives thes entries: 22/11/10 18:55:05 com.apple.launchd.peruser.502[236] ([0x0-0x49049].com.finderpop.fp-injector[494]) posix_spawn("/Library/PreferencePanes/FinderPop.prefPane/Contents/Resources/finderpop-daemon.app/Contents/MacOS/finderpop-daemon", ...): Permission denied 22/11/10 18:55:05 com.apple.launchd.peruser.502[236] ([0x0-0x49049].com.finderpop.fp-injector[494]) Exited with exit code: 1 Any Ideas ? Philip Van Landuyt
turly 22 Nov 2010, 22:03	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Hmm, that looks a bit ropey. You say FinderPop worked OK for you in 10.6.3? Try this: Uninstall FinderPop (System Preferences -> FinderPop -> Etc. -> Uninstall FinderPop ... and follow the instructions.) Then download the latest-n-greatest FinderPop from here. Unzip, then double-click the FinderPop.prefPane, and install de nuevo.
Philip Van Landuyt 23 Nov 2010, 05:29	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Hey Turly, Thanks for the quick response. The Beta version doesn't work either. Console gives the same messages. Greetings, Philip
turly 23 Nov 2010, 09:46	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 So, to double-check, it was all working fine on 10.6.3, and when you upgraded to 10.6.4, things started going pear-shaped? Did you use the system-supplied unzipper to unzip the FP zip file, or did you use a third-party unzipper that may not have set the permissions correctly? You are presumably an Administrator-level user... Can you fire up a Terminal and do the following 4 commands uname -a ls -l /Library/PreferencePanes/FinderPop.prefPane/Contents/Resources/finderpop-daemon.app/Contents/MacOS/finderpop-daemon ls -l ~/Library/PreferencePanes/FinderPop.prefPane/Contents/Resources/finderpop-daemon.app/Contents/MacOS/finderpop-daemon ps ax \| grep -i finderpop and show me the output? You can email it to me if you prefer. Also, open System Preferences -> FinderPop, turn FP off and then on again, and send me the console output. Sorry for all the questions here, but we'll get to the bottom of this one way or another!
Philip Van Landuyt 23 Nov 2010, 15:41	Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4 Hey Turly, I was using a third party unzipper... When I use the system's Archive Utility, everything works... Thanks very much !! Philip.

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ewweber
29 Aug 2010, 17:45

FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
After relying on FinderPop for years and years, I was dismayed when it wasn't Snow Leopard-compatible at the introduction of SL a year ago. For that reason alone, I didn't upgrade to SL. I couldn't do without FP.

I waited patiently for FP to be updated, then read about Turly's accident and went on waiting even more patiently, until yesterday I finally checked the site for the first time in months and learned that FP 2.3.0 was available and SL-ready. I eagerly downloaded and installed it, made sure it worked in Leopard 10.5.8 (it did), repaired permissions, ran fsck, ran the cron tasks, made a bootable clone of my hard drive, upgraded to Snow Leopard, ran Software Update three times to make sure all the Apple updates were installed, repaired permissions again, ran fsck again, and settled in to use my MacBook Pro (late-2008 15" unibody 2.4GHz). Much to my surprise and disappointment, FinderPop 2.3 does nothing at all now.

It appears in System Prefs as 2.3.0, is turned on, and leaves traces in the system.log such as this:

Aug 29 11:48:12 Eric-Webers-Computer-2 [0x0-0x2c02c].com.finderpop.fp-injector[319]: FinderPop-i386-23000: Not patching Rosetta app 'Adobe Updater' 0:00043043

Nevertheless, FP doesn't open a menu when I click and hold or click and release on any disk or folder. It doesn't produce a menu when I click on an unused part of the menu bar, though I have that option checked. Functionally, it's as if FinderPop isn't installed. All my FP preference settings were brought forward faithfully from the old version I was using in Leopard, but nothing at all that I used to depend on FP to do works any more. Any thoughts about why not, or tests I might run?

turly
29 Aug 2010, 19:56

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Hey Eric,

We need to see whether FinderPop is patching your Finder.app. The one line you've shown is for a Rosetta app, which FP will never patch - ie PowerPC apps running under emulation on intel Macs - so look for something like

FinderPop-23001: Patching 'Finder' 0:140001 (Immed)

(that's from memory so it mightn't be exactly right.) Do you see something like that? Are there any other 'odd' messages printed out by FinderPop?

ewweber
30 Aug 2010, 14:37

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Hi, Turly, and thanks for the prompt reply.

I do see this three-line sequence, which appeared after I upgraded to the new FP version:

Aug 29 10:06:08 Eric-Webers-Computer-2 [0x0-0x2a02a].com.apple.systempreferences[310]: FinderPop-x86_64-23000 - added myself to Login Items
Aug 29 10:06:09 Eric-Webers-Computer-2 [0x0-0x2c02c].com.finderpop.fp-injector[319]: 10:06:09: INIT FinderPop-i386-23000 on 10.6.4 (built May 23 2010 21:20:48)
Aug 29 10:06:09 Eric-Webers-Computer-2 [0x0-0x2c02c].com.finderpop.fp-injector[319]: FinderPop-x86_64-23000: Patching 'Finder' 0:a00a (Immed-e)

After that, no "patching" lines except a few "not patching" entries for Rosetta apps (Eudora, Photoshop CS2, Adobe Updater).

Anything else I should look for or try?

turly
31 Aug 2010, 08:59

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Hmm, well it says it patched the Finder so I'd expect control-clicking an item in the Finder to display the FP-augmented contextual menu.
Do you have items in your FinderPop Items folder? Are you running an English-language OS? When you go to the FP preference pane, Items tab, click on Show FinderPop Items folder, the folder opened is what you expect?

Can you fire up a Terminal.app and either post or send me the output of this command

defaults read com.finderpop.finderpop

ewweber
31 Aug 2010, 16:04

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Here's the Terminal output:

Last login: Mon Aug 30 18:26:59 on console
[Eric-Webers-Computer-2:~] ericweber% defaults read com.finderpop.finderpop
{
addContentsMenu = 1;
addDiskMenu = 1;
addMarkColumn = 0;
controlFreePopup = 0;
controlFreePopupContentsMenu = 1;
controlFreePopupTicks = 125;
enableFinderPop = 1;
excludes = (
{
ID = "com.prosofteng.DriveGenius2";
}
);
inlineFinderPopMenu = 1;
inlineFinderPopMenuOnlyInFinder = 1;
installBuildVersion = 23000;
menuFontSize = 0;
mustControlClickForUnusedMenubar = 0;
numLastItemsChosen = 0;
otherAppsExtendContextual = 0;
patchFinderOnly = 0;
processMenu = 1;
recentItemsInSubmenu = 1;
showBundleDirs = 0;
showDotNames = 0;
showInvisibles = 0;
showLastItemChosen = 0;
showOnlyApplicableApps = 1;
sortOrder = 0;
unusedMenuBarActivatesFP = 1;
useLSDisplayName = 1;
useLabelInfo = 0;
useRealIcons = 1;
versionCheckTimeDelta = 0;
}
[Eric-Webers-Computer-2:~] ericweber%

The only thing I've added to my FinderPop Items is my hard drive. The FinderPop Items folder, which opens on demand from the FP prefpane window, looks just as I'd expect it to: empty but for that alias. Yes, my OS is US English. The menus I see when I control-click items in the Finder are identical to the ones I see with FinderPop turned off. There is no menu when I click or control-click a blank part of the menu bar, with or without FP turned on.

I have the following other user-installed prefpanes active on my MBP, just in case you recognize something here that conflicts with FP:

A Better Finder Rename
Fan Control
Flip4Mac WMV
Perian
SmartSleep
Wacom Tablet

I suppose ABFR could well be the culprit, since it interacts with contextual menus. Do you know? I don't need it nearly as much as I need FP, but unfortunately, when I tried just now to uninstall it, I found that the instructions for doing so in its Help menu are defective and can't be followed. So I've emailed ABFR's developer for assistance, but until I hear back I won't be able to test the hypothesis that ABFR is tangling with FP.

FYI, I have the following Login Items in my everyday account (an admin account):

iTunesHelper
SpeechSynthesisServer
System Events
iStat menus Helper
EEventManager
CrossOver CD Helper
finderpop-daemon
EEventManager (All Users)

RonaldPR
31 Aug 2010, 20:50

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4

ewweber wrote:I suppose ABFR could well be the culprit, since it interacts with contextual menus.

I have A Better Finder Preferences.prefPane version 3.9 installed (still 32-bit) that goes with A Better Finder Rename 8 (v. 8.65) and A Better Finder Attributes 4 (v. 4.49). In MacOSX 10.6 the pref pane is only used for registration of the applications. Possible left-over contextual menu items are non-functional in MacOSX 10.6, the system will ignore them. In MacOSX 10.6 services took the place of contextual menu items. For both ABFR and ABFA services can be added to the Services item in contextual menus. On my machine with MacOSX 10.6.4, FinderPop works fine, with or without services for ABFR and/or ABFA enabled.

turly
01 Sep 2010, 09:04

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Thanks Ronald...
Eric - here are some other things for you to try:

1. It could be that clicking-in-unused-menubar doesn't work because of menubar translucency - try turning it off. From this post:

Make sure System Preferences -> Desktop & Screen Saver -> Desktop -> "Translucent Menu Bar" is disabled.

They may have subtly changed the background desktop picture which, when it "pokes through" a translucent menubar, is enough to persuade FinderPop that the menubar area you clicked on is not in fact "unused"...

2. Does command-control clicking on a blank bit of the Desktop work? Note you must hold down command and control and then click. It should pop up a Contents menu of whatever folder window you clicked on (in this case the Desktop.) If that works and control-clicking doesn't, it narrows down where I have to look...

turly
04 Sep 2010, 08:47

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Hey Eric,

It just dawned on me what your problem might be... I got an email from another user (coincidentally also called Eric) with similar symptoms to your problem... so did you just copy across the FinderPop you had from Leopard to your new install, or did you install SL and then install the latest FinderPop?

If you upgrade to SL then removing the old FinderPop and installing the new one will work better (as the old one will have had various permissions for Tiger/Leopard which no longer apply...) Uninstalling the old FinderPop can be done via the 'Uninstall FinderPop' button in FP's _Etc_ tab. (Your FinderPop Items folder will not be deleted.) To be even more sure, if I were you, I would logout / login again after I'd uninstalled the old FinderPop, before installing the new one. Then, making sure that System Preferences is CLOSED - NOT RUNNING - double-click a freshly-downloaded FinderPop.prefPane which will open System Preferences and offer to install FP for you. If you are using Apple's FileVault home folder encryption thing, choose to install FinderPop for ALL USERS.

Let me know if that fixes things...

ewweber
05 Sep 2010, 04:15

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Hi, Turly. Thanks for chasing me dwn by email - I've been occupied with other things the last couple of days. Uninstalling FP, logging out and back in again, and reinstalling FP from a new download has improved matters considerably. Now I get a FP menu when clicking or control-clicking in an unused portion of the menu bar and when control-clicking (but not just clicking, as I was always able to do in the past) on my hard drive's icon or on the desktop. So I'm 90% of the way to a full solution now. Any thoughts on why a plain click (no control key) isn't doing everything it did in Leopard?

turly
05 Sep 2010, 09:29

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Hey Eric - are you sure control-free popup is turned ON in FinderPop's prefPane?
Just from looking at your preferences dump above, it looks like it's turned off. Again I'm not at my Mac right now to double-check but the line

controlFreePopup = 0;

is a bit suspicious. Double-check that it's on and then switch to the Finder, click-and-hold on a disk, until the cursor changes to the contextual cursor, then let go the mouse button...

Philip Van Landuyt
22 Nov 2010, 19:29

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Hello,

Since upgrading to 10.6.4 FinderPop stopped working. I followed this thread, and tried the help offered, bu to no avail.

Console gives thes entries:

22/11/10 18:55:05 com.apple.launchd.peruser.502[236] ([0x0-0x49049].com.finderpop.fp-injector[494]) posix_spawn("/Library/PreferencePanes/FinderPop.prefPane/Contents/Resources/finderpop-daemon.app/Contents/MacOS/finderpop-daemon", ...): Permission denied
22/11/10 18:55:05 com.apple.launchd.peruser.502[236] ([0x0-0x49049].com.finderpop.fp-injector[494]) Exited with exit code: 1

Any Ideas ?

Philip Van Landuyt

turly
22 Nov 2010, 22:03

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Hmm, that looks a bit ropey. You say FinderPop worked OK for you in 10.6.3?

Try this: Uninstall FinderPop (System Preferences -> FinderPop -> Etc. -> Uninstall FinderPop ... and follow the instructions.)

Then download the latest-n-greatest FinderPop from here.

Unzip, then double-click the FinderPop.prefPane, and install de nuevo.

Philip Van Landuyt
23 Nov 2010, 05:29

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Hey Turly,

Thanks for the quick response. The Beta version doesn't work either. Console gives the same messages.

Greetings,

Philip

turly
23 Nov 2010, 09:46

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
So, to double-check, it was all working fine on 10.6.3, and when you upgraded to 10.6.4, things started going pear-shaped?
Did you use the system-supplied unzipper to unzip the FP zip file, or did you use a third-party unzipper that may not have set the permissions correctly?
You are presumably an Administrator-level user...

Can you fire up a Terminal and do the following 4 commands

uname -a
ls -l /Library/PreferencePanes/FinderPop.prefPane/Contents/Resources/finderpop-daemon.app/Contents/MacOS/finderpop-daemon
ls -l ~/Library/PreferencePanes/FinderPop.prefPane/Contents/Resources/finderpop-daemon.app/Contents/MacOS/finderpop-daemon
ps ax | grep -i finderpop

and show me the output? You can email it to me if you prefer.

Also, open System Preferences -> FinderPop, turn FP off and then on again, and send me the console output.

Sorry for all the questions here, but we'll get to the bottom of this one way or another!

Philip Van Landuyt
23 Nov 2010, 15:41

Re: FinderPop is inoperative in 10.6.4
Hey Turly,

I was using a third party unzipper... When I use the system's Archive Utility, everything works...

Thanks very much !!

Philip.